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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/3/2010 9:55:47 PM   
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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/4/2010 11:35:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		WA&SD seems to have split fans down the middle, like Marmite, you either love it or hate it! Do I think it was an average album and a lacklustre effort? No. Why because I'm a biased, P.O.D. fanboy warrior? No. 2007 was a year of change and re-assimilation for P.O.D. Marcos came back but wasn't the man P.O.D. knew before: he had grown both in his influences and as a musician. Wuv and Traa needed to adapt to Marcos's new style and willingness to take P.O.D. in a total new direction. That can't have been easy. Plus Sonny struggled with his lyrics in the beginning: he was torn emotionally and spiritually between writing upbeat, positive lyrics that P.O.D. had become famous for and writing a grittier and hard hitting album. That's where songs like Addicted, I'll Be Ready and No Ordinary Love Song came from. Ultimately it was not going to please every P.O.D. fan but they were being honest and true to themselves and as always wrote an album first and foremost for themselves. I enjoy WA&SD for what it is, not for what it's not.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/4/2010 2:01:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Really all i have to say is yes the old P.O.D. Is very strong and amazing, and yes there new music isnt what we as fans expected but i can't say it is bad on bit... i mean really think about the lyrics, they are still strong but not anything like the style that sonny has done before but they have a more muture contex and a way more overall message then some old stuff, it is les hey we are p.o.d. rock with us and now is more like hey there is crap going on in the streets and the world around us lets be aware... to deny the greatness of what they have been up to is sad, but yes to bring back the flavor of fundamental elements and brown would be amazing, honestly they havent really been the best at making cali feel at home like they used too.. i mean i would kill to see them, like it has been a few years since i seen them, and it hurts lol Blindside and P.O.D. are my favorite bands! and it freaking sucks when i have to put up with this crappy music that is on the radio, if you can even call half of it music ugh...

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/4/2010 3:12:29 PM   
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coming from the UK I've been waiting since 03 to see them come back! I don't think it's going to happen in the next year or two either! Such is life, at least we can listen to their albums non stop!

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/5/2010 3:21:22 AM   
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Really all i have to say is yes the old P.O.D. Is very strong and amazing, and yes there new music isnt what we as fans expected but i can't say it is bad on bit... i mean really think about the lyrics, they are still strong but not anything like the style that sonny has done before but they have a more muture contex and a way more overall message then some old stuff, it is les hey we are p.o.d. rock with us and now is more like hey there is crap going on in the streets and the world around us lets be aware... to deny the greatness of what they have been up to is sad, but yes to bring back the flavor of fundamental elements and brown would be amazing, honestly they havent really been the best at making cali feel at home like they used too.. i mean i would kill to see them, like it has been a few years since i seen them, and it hurts lol Blindside and P.O.D. are my favorite bands! and it freaking sucks when i have to put up with this crappy music that is on the radio, if you can even call half of it music ugh...


First, welcome to the boards from me as well. I've been trying to stay out of this discussion for a while but I just had to make a post after reading yours. While I do agree with you on the direction they've taken, I disagree with you on one thing - the change towards more serious and mature lyrics doesn't mean they're still strong. I am a lyricist myself, one who tries to be original and poetic and avoid clichés, and the one thing that bothers me most about the lyrics on WA&SD is that they lack that originality P.O.D. has had in the past. I really love some of the songs on the album, like End of the World, God Forbid and Condescending, but apart from a few lyrical highlights such as the verses in the title track, we can't call the texts strong (at least not as strong as in the past) if Sonny keeps writing lines like "This Ain't No Ordinary Love Song" (and then repeats it like what, 4 times per chorus?!). Sorry but that's just my take on it.

All in all, I don't want anyone to take this the wrong way, but I'm really tired of reading about what could've been with the promoting and all... Not to mention the fact that while P.O.D. may be underrated, so are many other bands in the world today. Mainstream popularity shouldn't be used as a meter for anything these days anymore, and though I'm aware that the sales affect touring possiblities and the motivation for making new albums, I personally don't really care has the band sold 1 million copies or 100 000 copies - as long as I know that I've done my effort on spreading, promoting and listening to it, I'm happy.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/5/2010 10:53:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		we the true warriors don't care about album sales in that respect either, we know P.O.D. are a great band regardless of how many albums they sell and don't stop listening to them just because they've not reached platinum status again: we're not on any band wagon! But it's just hard to see P.O.D. diminish as they were so big, we just want to enjoy those type of times again. The reason I made such a fuss about the promotion of WA&SD is because very much like Testify after about six months everything went dead. The hype dissipated and the band conveniently went on a hiatus. I don't want that to happen again unless P.O.D. come out and state, like Zao that they've become a 'studio' band and don't intend to tour much anymore. Naturally, like Zao, they'd sell less records but if they're happy with keeping a low profile then that's cool. But if they want to break back into the mainstream again then they need to do it properly!

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/5/2010 5:15:57 PM   
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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/5/2010 9:00:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		The forums are back!!! I'm a little slow lol. But, I'm pretty jacked. I thought my only chance to ever see them live was going to be 9-11-11, but now I have more hope.

I can see this album having some more hard hitting songs [hopefully similar to TFEOS]. The members of P.O.D. are all hard core rockers, and not playing for awhile, they've probably got that classic rock musician itch to just "go crazy and rock" after being gone for awhile. I'm guestimating Satellite-type songs with some heavier songs thrown in here and there. Definitely at least 2 ballad type songs. I know the guys are all in their 30's, but you can still play good heavier music that is dynamic and mature.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/6/2010 2:52:13 AM   
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we the true warriors don't care about album sales in that respect either, we know P.O.D. are a great band regardless of how many albums they sell and don't stop listening to them just because they've not reached platinum status again: we're not on any band wagon! But it's just hard to see P.O.D. diminish as they were so big, we just want to enjoy those type of times again. The reason I made such a fuss about the promotion of WA&SD is because very much like Testify after about six months everything went dead. The hype dissipated and the band conveniently went on a hiatus. I don't want that to happen again unless P.O.D. come out and state, like Zao that they've become a 'studio' band and don't intend to tour much anymore. Naturally, like Zao, they'd sell less records but if they're happy with keeping a low profile then that's cool. But if they want to break back into the mainstream again then they need to do it properly!


I never implied that you're in a band wagon or anything, I just stated that I don't want to be a part of the speculation you've had going on here. I too am a true warrior...

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I hope Marcos writes better riffs on the new album and the song writing is more positive in the new album. Cause the riffs in When Angels and Separants Dance were pretty simple and nothing special.


That is true, but frankly I don't consider any of the riffs Marcos has written throughout the years particularly complex. He's just not that kind of a player. I get what you mean though, and I hope for the same. WA&SD really lacked creativity and the band needs to capture that back first before they really start on another album.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/14/2010 8:19:20 PM   
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That is awesome news !! I can't wait . New Music = New Tour

and Hopefully they will stop by Houston,Tx because I haven't seen them since 2006 !!

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/7/2010 6:06:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		My un popular opinion still stands. I will be very disappointed if they release another album like WASSD. I don't understand how anyone can call it a "natural progression" in there music when it is so different from there last album or any of there other albums.

Sooo .. here's hoping the new album is a little more P.O.D. and a little less WASSD.

.. just my opinion ..

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/7/2010 12:35:49 PM   
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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/7/2010 4:11:03 PM   
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My un popular opinion still stands. I will be very disappointed if they release another album like WASSD. I don't understand how anyone can call it a "natural progression" in there music when it is so different from there last album or any of there other albums.

Sooo .. here's hoping the new album is a little more P.O.D. and a little less WASSD.

.. just my opinion ..


Agreed

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/7/2010 4:16:20 PM   
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the S/T was quite a sharp change in direction don't you think?



It was different, but it was still a pretty much completely upbeat album with distorted rock guitars on almost every song (excluding The Reasons and Eternal). WASD has about 6 or so slow songs.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/8/2010 12:43:47 PM   
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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/8/2010 4:57:16 PM   
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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/12/2010 1:41:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		It took me a while to appreciate WAASD, but I like it. Anyone who drives up the coast can jam the album, very beautiful. At the end of the day no one can say that POD hasn't tried it or done it. Well done POD.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/12/2010 8:07:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I listened to the all of WASD again today while driving and it is a pretty good album. I've just gotta be in that certain mood to listen to it. I did notice that during the album, there are moments when you hear the old school P.O.D. creep in the songs. The bridge on Condescending has that feel when Sonny's rapping "I can't do it your way." There's also this part on "This Ain't No Ordinary Love Song" where it goes into 4/4 and Sonny's rapping "This is all I got." <or something like that. It's like these certain moments when you hear the old P.O.D. building back up then when it's supposed to go crazy it slips back into the new P.O.D. again. I'm pretty certain P.O.D. still has the fire in them, all they gotta do is let it loose again.

I like all types of music, and that album is really good, but there are a bunch of other bands out there that are doing that mellow stuff. P.O.D. should be the band I turn to headbang and go crazy. TFEOS and Satellite still get played around my house like they're brand new. Set It Off, The Messenjah, Outkast, School of Hard Knocks, Freestyle...

All of their music is awesome, but the heavy stuff is so powerful. I know the band has matured a lot since then, but still, combining the maturity with the heavy stuff of old days would be awesome.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/13/2010 12:32:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		and surely that is a strength of P.O.D.'s music that they have an album for all occassions and moods. I don't listen to any of their albums 24/7 but when I'm in the mood I select the album that best matches it. I personally appreciate the diversity, not just in each P.O.D. album but across their discography. Now if I was to give an absolutely honest answer I would definitely love to hear some old skool rap metal in the new album but I also like to be surprised by P.O.D. and allow them to broaden my own tastes.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/14/2010 8:34:09 AM   
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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/14/2010 8:46:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		it's the catch 22 situation again, nu-metal bands have been forced to evolve to match the 'times/scene' but the general mainstream fanbase never truly accepts the transformation as its deemed either cliche or out of character. P.O.D. have always been an ecclectic band and therein lies their strength imo. I believe P.O.D. need to create an album with many different shades, tones and moods but at the same time keeping a thread of coherency as well. They need to make an album, which will appease the hardcore, die-hard, old skool warrior fanbase as well as some newer sounds that will apeal to a wider, more mainstream fanbase. Singles will therefore be very important. I think P.O.D. should have two or three singles or single potential material on the new album that will epitomise the range and diversity of the album (like Alive & Y.O.T.N did with Satellite). That way P.O.D. maintain their artistic integrity and hopefully prove to a general audience that they are still relevant to the contemporary music scene. In all honesty I think P.O.D. have done this very well in the past, although I thought for as diverse as Testify was it didn't have that many stand out singles tracks for me; WA&SD had more imo but the album never got out of the starting blocks for its potential to be realised.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/14/2010 11:10:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		^That's totally true. Bands like P.O.D. and Project 86 really stood out in the old days because they brought such a flare and fire to their music that it really stood out, but when the bands tried to comform to the changing music scene their music became more generic and easily blended with other rock bands. They need to make an album with somewhat of a combination of old and new, but they definitely need a lot more of their old rapcore stuff in there. I'd love to hear P.O.D. with some awesome rapcore stuff, but I think singles should have the perfect formula of old and new to get successful. I always thought that Alive was the perfect formula for P.O.D.'s sound. Their album should consist of awesome heavy nu metal type tracks, but the singles thrown in should have a formula like Alive of slight rapcore style singing on the verses with a melodic solid rock chorus.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/15/2010 5:39:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		time will tell whether P.O.D. are writing the new album with the intention of re-igniting their mainstream success or just writing an album for the faithful few. We might see much more old skool P.O.D. if the latter is true. However, as Marcos said in one of the podcasts during the writing of WA&SD he doesn't like to write the same riff twice, he always writes in the moment and continually strives to evolve as an artist and musician. Due to the band's very ecclectic taste in music it could come down to what they are listening to for inspiration. Marcos admitted he was into a lot of Brit Indie pop such as Coldplay and RadioHead, which could explain why WA&SD had so many mellow songs on it. There are so many variables it's hard to accurately speculate.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/15/2010 2:45:39 PM   
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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/20/2010 9:08:20 PM   
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Testify is one of my favorite P.O.D. albums .. its such a shame it got released right as they were getting screwed over by Altlantic. No one will every know how many copies that album could have sold had it been properly marketed.. such a shame.


Agreed. Testify is so strong overall. Much more consistent lyrically, vocally, and musically than WAASD imo. It had all the "flavors" that make p.o.d. so unique and cool. That said, I'm not one who minds when bands "evolve", since I really dug the ST. I simply think the songwriting on WAASD was just weaker overall than Testify or the ST (not to say WAASD didn't have it's moments because I did really like some of the songs. It just had too much filler imo, something I'm not used to with p.o.d.)

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/21/2010 12:02:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know everyone has different opinions and that everyone is entitled to their view. However I'd like to explain why I think WA&SD is still a good album, track by track:

Addicted: a strong opener, the riff is heavy, cool time signature on the drums and the short guitar solo thrown in sweetens the deal; lyrically it's an edgier song dealing with real life problems and the darker side of society. Sonny's vocals are cathartic in places and gritty in others. The music video too was very uncharacteristic P.O.D. but one which I have great respect they made, proving P.O.D. can be candid.

Shine with Me: This is more typical P.O.D., positive and uplifting. This is the jeckel and hyde song of the album. Some of the lyrics verge on the sublime but the lalalaling lets it down. The song had fantastic single potential, which I believe is important to have on an album if you want it to be commercially successful. This is a good song but had the potential to be great.

Condescending: My personal favourite song on the album. This song, for me, has the old P.O.D. magic to it and still gives me goosebumps. This song epitomises the maturation of the band musically, vocally and lyrically. The chorus is catchy and emotive and the outro with its heavy groove is simply amazing.

It Can't Rain Everyday: the Santana-esque intro was an element/dimension to P.O.D.'s sound that was missing during the Truby era and I was glad to see Marcos bring his Latino roots back to the band. The song is very reminiscent of Y.O.T.N with another very uplifting and powerful mellow track. I thought the riff and guitar lick running through the song was beautiful and its message timeless.

Kaliforn-eye-a: In my opinion this is hands down the best song about the southtown apart from southtown itself (which will always be the greatest). The riff was groove heavy making it one of the coolest songs on the album; the chorus was catchy and uplifting: I can't help but smile when I hear it, and the breakdown with Mike Muir was some good old skool punk rock mosh, something the band hadn't done since Without Jah Nothin'. This song had so many components and dimensions to it which combined new and old P.O.D. seamlessly.

I'll be Ready: An excellent reggae track about spiritual struggle. I thought that lyrically this was one of the most open and honest songs on the album and the music just wonderfully chilled. The Marley sisters' backing vocals were sultry and added some great ambience to the track. Overall a really strong reggae track, one of the best P.O.D. have written.

End of the World: I thought that lyrically this song showed much spiritual insight into the state of the world and was one of the best expressions of the band's faith on the album. It's a lament in many ways just proving that P.O.D. are adept at doing poignant songs as well as positive ones. Musically this is one of the best on the album for me, truly showcasing Marcos' development as a guitarist with bringing in his prog rock influences. This was definitely a new direction for the band, one which I think shows how strong they are ecclectically.

This Ain't no Ordinary Love Song: again another open and honest song lyrically, showcasing the band's more poignant side beautifully. The song is a nice ballard. Once more exhibiting Marcos' maturation as an all round guitarist.

God Forbid: Next to Addicted the heaviest track on the album and a much needed one too to balance things out. Love this track for its ferocity and really cool outro. I also like how the band used it as an encore at their shows, a great song to end a set on. Moreoever this song proves P.O.D. still have that edge in them and are not totally soft. The intro was also very experimental, which highlighted how the band aren't afraid to experiment.

Roman Empire: My only complaint about this song is that it is quite short but then so are most of Marcos' instrumentals so its nothing new. Overall a lovely track and one of the best latino instrumentals the band have written. Again I was glad to see this element to P.O.D.'s sound return.

WA&SD: this song, whilst at first seemed like one of the weaker tracks on the album has probably been the track that has most grown on me. I now really love it and think that lyrically again it is a great example of P.O.D.'s faith.

Tell Me Why?: this is potentially one of the most controversial songs lyrically and again highlights how P.O.D. aren't afraid to be candid at times. Although its an acoustic ballard I think its one of the most powerful and evocative tracks on the album.

Rise Against: This was the biggest surprise of the album for me. With the title I expected a really energetic and heavy track like God Forbid but I actually think it works equally well as a slow tempo song too. I love Marcos' experimentation on this track and whilst two mellow tracks in a row leave you with a lasting impression that this was a mellow album, I think that's quite a misleading judgement on the album. WA&SD still has lots of bite to it, certainly lyrically if not always musically but there are still several tracks that pack a punch in that respect!

As I said before everyone's entitled to their opinion and I'm not trying to convince people to change their mind. But I still think P.O.D. were extremely bold to write this album and I think its very strong and still very P.O.D.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/21/2010 7:44:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'd have to say that End of the World is probably my favorite track off of that album^ It's not necessarily old school P.O.D. but it is so epic and really makes you feel the emotion of the song. I wouldn't mind hearing more songs in this direction on P.O.D.'s new cd.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/24/2010 6:29:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		crazy!!! WAASD had some good songs, but I don't really want to see them go in that direction again. I know its outdated, but let's bring the rap-rock back!!

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/24/2010 8:34:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hopefully P.O.D goes back to their roots for the new album. I would love to see an album with punk, rock, metal, latin, reggae, hip-hop and new school. WA&SD was good but I wouldn't want another album like that.  

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 2/25/2010 3:51:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: trubywarrior

I know everyone has different opinions and that everyone is entitled to their view. However I'd like to explain why I think WA&SD is still a good album, track by track:

As I said before everyone's entitled to their opinion and I'm not trying to convince people to change their mind. But I still think P.O.D. were extremely bold to write this album and I think its very strong and still very P.O.D.


that's nice you wrote all of this about the album!
and as we're standing up in a period where everyone will always find something to say about, how one would want or not the album to be like, what about the future tours, and what about the band itself.... well, a lot of questions, I think it's kind of wise. To just analyse what we know we love, it never hurted anybody.

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