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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/23/2009 5:50:44 AM

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yes it is!

it will be interesting though to see what kind of support and promotion the guys get from their labels on the new record; I still believe WA&SD could have done better if it had been promoted properly. I hope INO/Columbia have the appropriate budget to do this properly.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/27/2009 11:12:32 PM

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I read about this on wikipedia and can't believe it. I also hope that this new album is promoted the right way unlike Angels and Seperants Dance was which didn't sell well. Hopefully the band returns to its roots.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/28/2009 6:30:37 AM

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Man, they could release a pop album with a Paris Hilton duet, for all I care.

Just so happy for a new project.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/28/2009 11:00:31 AM

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I wouldn't go that far!

...on second thought yeah I seriously wouldn't go that far!

at the moment I'm pretty open minded about what direction they choose to take the new album but preferably I'd like it to be a straight up P.O.D. effort, no collaborations. They've collaborated on their last two albums (breaking the pattern I might add!

) so it would be good to hear 100% pure P.O.D. but the fact that they're making a new album is the main thing, if they choose to collaborate again I don't really mind.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/28/2009 10:54:49 PM

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I really hope this album is all P.O.D. too, although when P.O.D. collaborates with other artists, it always comes out great!

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/29/2009 3:15:30 AM

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Should collaborate with Truby... or even Dirt again, something special.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/29/2009 5:10:19 AM

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Should collaborate with Truby...

I'd faint if they did that. Seriously.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/29/2009 7:00:02 AM

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Man, they could release a pop album with a Paris Hilton duet, for all I care. Just so happy for a new project.

Your new .. so I wont ban you for that insanely disturbing comment.

I've been down with P.O.D. since the beginning but I wont follow a band if there style changes to much.

The last thing this world needs is another pop album .. look at all the fans linkin park lost with there latest release .. leave the pop rock to U2 .. I wan't the old P.O.D. back .. if they release another album like WAASD I will not be a happy camper.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/29/2009 8:10:45 AM

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I've been down with P.O.D. since the beginning but I wont follow a band if there style changes to much.

Now THAT'S a disturbing comment. A change whether it be radical or slight, isn't always bad, and that applies for both, technical and subjective views on the matter. If a band like P.O.D. turns to pop, yes it's most likely a bad change, but what if they become even heavier than they are right now and start adding elements from world music into the mix (a la Soulfly)? I know that's unlikely with their age, but let's just imagine that happens for some reason. As far as I can see, many people would be pleased with that, and if done properly, it'd be a fantastic change technically-speaking as well.

I think that deep down your opinion is the same than mine, maybe slightly different, but I personally couldn't abandon a band I love just because their style changes. You mentioned Linkin Park in your post, but you know what? That's a bad example. They went even more generic and unoriginal with MTM, but a change in style can also happen the other way round. Most often people are just too close-minded to accept changes and new things, while the thing is that we have to go through them in our everyday life just as musicians (real musicians, at least) seek for a way to develop constantly. It's the course of life, simply put.

EDIT: Oh, and sorry if I got a little carried away... The Paris Hilton thing was a joke anyway. I'm just so extremely excited over these news, like everybody else.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/29/2009 9:16:17 AM

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the problem lies in the fact that nu-metal was always at the more commercial end of the metal spectrum, with its connections to hip-hop. Therefore any change made by a nu-metal band is always more likely going to result in the music becoming more commercial/mainstream rather than the opposite way around. I think this is Trinity's fear. The other issue is the fact that nu-metal at its height (and I emphasise height) was a trend that was always going to have a temporary shelf life. P.O.D. being pigeonholed into that category were seen to nonchalant fans and observers as a product of that trend not vice versa and so P.O.D. have to battle that stereotype whenever they release a new album nowadays because a lot of people will automatically think they are irrelevant to the current music climate.

All the most successful and popular nu-metal bands have come under criticism whether it be from fans or critics alike. Trinity has already mentioned the example of LP but you can also take Korn too: their sound has changed drastically since Head left and I know a lot of fans now only consider their old skool albums as the 'real' Korn. Limp Bizkit were probably the first major victim of the downfall of nu-metal back in 03/04 when they fell off the face of the planet for a while. Disturbed and Slipknot are probably the two bands associated with nu-metal to have survived it most successfully but that is only because both bands were to begin with on the heavier/edgier end of the nu-metal spectrum and went the direction that Jon2 hypothesised. Nevertheless as in the case of slipknot they've essentially 'sold out' as their identities are no longer anonymous and I think the band really want to do away with their masks now as they were always more of a gimmick than a real statement.

I for one didn't have a problem with WA&SD and still listen to the album. I just accepted it as the evolution and natural progression of P.O.D.'s sound. I wouldn't like to guess at this point what the new album will sound like but I know it won't be the same.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/29/2009 11:17:03 AM

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I'm so exicited I actually checked on the internet to if P.O.D. had announced if they were calling it a day & now they're releasing a new CD!! BOOYAH!! :D

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/29/2009 11:44:16 AM

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I admit, I wasn't a fan of WA&SD... actually I never bought it.
agreed though if it does end up sounding anything like that I may do the same and not buy the next one but I have some faith in Howard Benson.
I'm just hoping they surprise me, haha.

Not to be a jerk or anything but I still prefer the way they were going with Truby, heck... I'm actually listening to Testify as I type this.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/29/2009 11:44:46 AM

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Collabs with H.E.A.D. would be phenomenal. I am sure more cali groups would be on the album. I kinda wish matis yahu would do another one on this.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/29/2009 11:46:07 AM

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Collabs with H.E.A.D. would be phenomenal. I am sure more cali groups would be on the album. I kinda wish matis yahu would do another one on this.

I HATE head!... I would go mad if they did a collaboration with Lacey from Flyleaf though, that would be AWESOME!

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/29/2009 11:59:30 AM

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I've been down with P.O.D. since the beginning but I wont follow a band if there style changes to much.

The last thing this world needs is another pop album .. look at all the fans linkin park lost with there latest release .. leave the pop rock to U2 .. I wan't the old P.O.D. back .. if they release another album like WAASD I will not be a happy camper.

Man, P.O.D. has changed a lot musically. But exactly why is that such a bad thing? I personally feel P.O.D.'s change is the most natural thing in the world. P.O.D. have always played music from their heart, because they love music and they want to spread a message of love. They were never heavy for the sake of being heavy.

Change is good, just don't fake it! (

) If P.O.D. would ever go back to their "punk-rock roots" that influenced their first two albums, I would be suspicious, cause that's not what P.O.D. is today. They are men in the mid 30's, they have wifes and kids and they have matured. If they made a new SNP-like og Satellite-like album, wouldn't that honestly seem a little phony? I would be put off.

I fell in love with P.O.D. because of their music and their sound. But in time I began to love the band because of the band, their message and their genuine sincerity, and not just their music. That's why I always will support the band. I'm a warrior, do you remember what that means?

I respect your opinion on WA&SP, trinity, but P.O.D. can't please everyone. If their change in style affects your "warriorlity", then don't buy their albums, easy as that. I also like some albums more than others, but I have all their albums. And I love everyone of them. :)

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/29/2009 12:08:06 PM

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Trubywarrior, superb post you got there. Nothing I didn't know or anything, but still... We need more posts like that.

I wasn't too keen on WA&SD either, but hey, it's P.O.D., and so far not a single note in their music has been terrible to me. Some of their stuff has been more worse than the other, but it has still constantly been way above average. I kind of agree with DeathDealer777 on Truby - for some reason which I can't really even explain, I've come to love Truby's work with the band more than what they've done with Marcos. They're two very different players though, and we're also talking about significantly different eras here, so I'll leave it at that.

As for Head, I see nothing wrong with him - sure he has had his past and his riffing isn't necessarily for everyone, but he's a new-born Christian and he should be accepted as what he is. After all, I'm sure he is forgiven by God now. Also, he's spreading the Word, and that's more than acceptable, it's admirable. I guess I'd prefer a collaboration with Lacey from Flyleaf too though - I can imagine Sonny and her singing well together while Head's guitar style might not really fit on the new record, wherever the band decides to take their sound.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/29/2009 4:00:45 PM

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I fell in love with P.O.D. because of their music and their sound. But in time I began to love the band because of the band, their message and their genuine sincerity, and not just their music. That's why I always will support the band. I'm a warrior, do you remember what that means?

amen!

That is how I've felt for as long as I've been into music. I'm a fan of bands not necessarily specific genres (although I have my favourite genres like most people

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/30/2009 2:36:30 AM

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I second that (sorry about not seeing Bonkhead's post before, that's why my post may seem a bit strange)!

I may not have all of the band's albums, but I will never be ashamed to say that I'm a warrior and my support, even if it may be minor, is always present.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/30/2009 6:51:09 AM

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I admit, I wasn't a fan of WA&SD... actually I never bought it.
agreed though if it does end up sounding anything like that I may do the same and not buy the next one but I have some faith in Howard Benson.
I'm just hoping they surprise me, haha.

Not to be a jerk or anything but I still prefer the way they were going with Truby, heck... I'm actually listening to Testify as I type this.

Testify is one of my favorite P.O.D. albums .. its such a shame it got released right as they were getting screwed over by Altlantic. No one will every know how many copies that album could have sold had it been properly marketed.. such a shame.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/30/2009 8:44:32 AM

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the same could be said for the S/T and even WA&SD too! I know the S/T went Gold and did much better than Testify but still I felt promotion was cut too early; if they had promoted Change the World properly and got the music video on TRL it could have sold even more!

Considering the change in the music industry and how itunes has revolutionised the way the majority of people buy and listen to music I fear that P.O.D. will never sell as well as they deserve. A lot of people don't buy albums anymore; TRL no longer exists to promote the singles and so unless Columbia/INO are committed to promoting the new album I can see it, whatever direction P.O.D. take it in going the way of WA&SD. The first single will generate a little bit of hype and help boost album sales in the first month or so then it will drop off rapidly and inevitably fall into obscurity. Within 6 months of its release the band will be on another hiatus.

To avoid such a calamitous fate the band could concentrate on writing and releasing another anthemic single like Alive and purely promote the single. If the single achieved chart success the album would then get a few extra sales off the back of it and it would give P.O.D. a platform again to plug the album and rebuild the fanbase. The music video would need to be played on the major music channels and hopefully they would do some TV appearances playing the single too. Ideally the band would also negotiate for the single to be used in either a TV programme, advert or film trailer. That way it's getting out there to as many people as possible and with the association of another franchise people will make the connections in their minds and buy the single.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/30/2009 9:49:55 AM

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I agree with Trinity. Testify would have been huge had it been marketed properly. In my opinion it's a way better album than the S/T or WAASD. Here's to hoping the new album is way better than WAASD.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/30/2009 7:23:25 PM

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I would really like to see P.O.D. head in a heavier direction, I don't care too much for watered down hard rock (Pillar's confession's is a example)

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/30/2009 8:48:24 PM

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Like someone else said, they can't please everyone. When Satellite came out many on their website's old forums were disappointed with its sound, because it didn't sound quite like Brown or FEOS. Even though it went on to be their best commercial and critical success to date.

Before WAASD some rock bands were and still are having commercial attention with slower ballads. I don't know how much involvement INO/Columbia had on WAASD, but I'm sure they didn't mind that the guys tried that same route. Which obviously didn't work for them for good reason, they're known for their ferocity.I liked WAASD well enough, but I knew that it would confuse a lot and make for some " cricket moments" on their tour.

I personally would love to hear some nods to their old stylings and freshness of their creativity now via '09.I'd love for it to rock (to rip my face off that is), have passion, and purpose.Slower and reflective songs would be cool when used sparingly too.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/31/2009 6:38:54 AM

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I would really like to see P.O.D. head in a heavier direction, I don't care too much for watered down hard rock (Pillar's confession's is a example)

Lol, new Pillar = failure x 12

Anyways I dont mind which of the previous styles they use. I still give crazy rotation to FEOST, Satellite, Testify and WAASD. WAASD took me a while, but after listening to it I loved it.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 12/31/2009 8:22:09 AM

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if I could have my way on the direction of the new album I would like them to experiment with some more instrumentals like they did on Brown, just make a really ecclectic album

I really thought they might have been heading in that direction anyway before the hiatus as I remember hearing Marcos and Traa talking about the jamming sessions they used to have back in the day, playing in coffee shops etc As for the heavy stuff, I definitely want them to keep that intensity and passion in their music but I don't want them to make the mistake they did with WA&SD: Addicted was one of the heavier/edgier tracks but it didn't really work as a lead single. I'd love it if they had tracks like Addicted on the new album but they still need those uplifting, positive and anthemic singles like Alive on there too! So I guess a cross between Satellite and Brown is what I'm looking for, with the sophistication and maturity that WA&SD showed as well, particularly in the melodies.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/1/2010 2:55:36 AM

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I dont want the new album to have to "wear on me" I wanna love it from the very first listen .. time will tell.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/1/2010 10:53:47 AM

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Glad Howard Benson is on board the new album as he hasn't produced an album with POD since the self titled album. I love Howard Benson and can't wait to see what he brings to POD this time. Surprised POD haven't announced this in their myspace page yet. This year is just going to be awesome hopefully POD tour again soon.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/1/2010 1:48:13 PM

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This year is just going to be awesome hopefully POD tour again soon.

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/3/2010 9:45:48 PM

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The problem with WAASD is not the Genre or style they took. but the song writing. the effort and sound was of a very average extent, and did not have the power, or the spirit or song writing skills that any of the other albums did. it feels like they rushed it and were desperate to get a recordout, whether or not the record was good or plain... It was C class, and not an A class album, like all their other records are. Unfortunatley they have to prove themselves to their former fans and every critic if they want album sale success. But maybe thats just it??

Maybe POD dont care what we think, nor what Critics think, and are releasing what they want and feel like making. If thats the case then good on them, and I respect that.

But WAASD was very poor, with too many filler songs, and the Single of the album (addicted) wasnt even as good as any of the WORST singles they had on their previous records...

As for Linkin Park. I think they took a different path because they did not want to be generic, and good on them!!! They stayed relevant, and still have a heavy edge. They lost some fans, but get over it. people need to appreciate music for WHAT IT IS, not style preference or prejudice. I don't like hiphop, but if POD decided to release a successful hiphop album, id still cheer em on.

Its about doing a job, and doing it 100% well. And WASSD was a half effort, high school record, substandard to what POd can achieve. And if they are going to do that again with this record, then its a shame, and is embarrassing and degrading, and they wouldnt have regained the passion before they tried again...

In that unfortunate case it would be like beating a dead horse..

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RE: P.O.D. NEW RECORD 2010!!!! - 1/3/2010 9:53:10 PM

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the same could be said for the S/T and even WA&SD too! I know the S/T went Gold and did much better than Testify but still I felt promotion was cut too early; if they had promoted Change the World properly and got the music video on TRL it could have sold even more!

Considering the change in the music industry and how itunes has revolutionised the way the majority of people buy and listen to music I fear that P.O.D. will never sell as well as they deserve. A lot of people don't buy albums anymore; TRL no longer exists to promote the singles and so unless Columbia/INO are committed to promoting the new album I can see it, whatever direction P.O.D. take it in going the way of WA&SD. The first single will generate a little bit of hype and help boost album sales in the first month or so then it will drop off rapidly and inevitably fall into obscurity. Within 6 months of its release the band will be on another hiatus.

To avoid such a calamitous fate the band could concentrate on writing and releasing another anthemic single like Alive and purely promote the single. If the single achieved chart success the album would then get a few extra sales off the back of it and it would give P.O.D. a platform again to plug the album and rebuild the fanbase. The music video would need to be played on the major music channels and hopefully they would do some TV appearances playing the single too. Ideally the band would also negotiate for the single to be used in either a TV programme, advert or film trailer. That way it's getting out there to as many people as possible and with the association of another franchise people will make the connections in their minds and buy the single.

Yep. I agree. And WAASD nor Addicted could have pulled that off with all the advertising in the world.. it was just plain average...

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