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Bonkhead -> AT&T blue room performance (8/14/2008 8:23:43 AM)

P.O.D. playing Boom and Addicted plus a little interview:
http://www.attblueroom.com/music/mediaplayer.php?cid=183011




mr_dreadlocks -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/14/2008 10:41:54 AM)

I can't watch it, it plays for a second then pauses for a second.




Cornelius -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/14/2008 12:56:32 PM)

It looks like they did the performances and interview in their studio




Jah_Drive -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/14/2008 5:12:21 PM)

Hey fellow Warriors,
I just listened to that AT&T performance (Boom, Addicted, interviews) and I gotta say...it was GREAT![:)]  The "Boom" performance was very different from what I've heard from their Satellite album. Then again, it was live and Sonny and the boys have gotten older, so it was pretty good. I never got to really hear Sonny's screams the way that I can on the record. The "Addicted" performance was a lot closer to the album version (Sonny's voice tone, screams, etc.). The "Liar/You are a liar" bridge was different and didn't have the emphasis and the screams that are there on the album, but that was only because it was live. Live performances are generally not like the album versions of the songs. For a live performance however, it wasn't that bad. The interview about the new album was pretty short and basically talked about the guests that are on it (Mike Muir from Suicidal Tendencies, the Marley Girls, and Page Hamilton from Helmet). I have to say that I don't agree at all with P.O.D.'s choices as guests on their new album, and even on other P.O.D. albums as well (H.R. from Bad Brains on the Satellite album). I'm not saying that these guys are going to hell for that or that they are wicked, because they're not. Obviously, the Satanic messages of these guests on their own music are not on P.O.D.'s albums. I'm just saying that...well...it looks bad, you know? If we are Christians, then we have to live lives above reproach, and P.O.D.'s decisions sometimes are questionable. While I am not perfect myself and therefore must be humble when speaking on these matters, I must have strong convictions on moral matters like this if I am to be honouring the Lord. If P.O.D. and I saw each other, I would still try to treat them with the utmost respect and kindness. I would NOT just go up to them and yell, "You're wicked and hellbent for going with Satanic people at Ozzfest", etc. No. I would just go up and say, "Hey guys, love your music and your passion for God and kids. Keep it up and don't despair. While you and I would disagree on some decisions you guys have made (guests on albums, the Payable on Death album art, etc.), I still love you guys and I do believe that you are strong Christians. I'll be praying for you guys. Keep us all smiling! God bless!" Those are just my thoughts. If I have introduced false, heretical or offensive material, PLEASE...let me know! I don't want to cause problems on these boards. That's all for now.

Jah bless,
Nick White 




trubywarrior -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/15/2008 4:06:03 AM)

@ Jahdrive seriously dude what is with some of your comments? You go too OTT sometimes. why even bring up hell at all?[&:][:@] 
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I would NOT just go up to them and yell, "You're wicked and hellbent for going with Satanic people at Ozzfest", etc


Why even mention this? of course you wouldn't say that it would be incredibly rude and judgemental of you. You need to think about what you are implying; salvation is by grace. I know you believe that but some of your comments do come across as very legalistic. I appreciate and respect your zealousness for your faith, I'm a devout Christian too and I take the greatest measures to make sure I'm living a godly, holy, Christ-like life, but just because P.O.D. played ozzfest or collaborated with non-Christians on their albums doesn't mean they're living a life of sin.

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Obviously, the Satanic messages of these guests on their own music are not on P.O.D.'s albums. I'm just saying that...well...it looks bad, you know?


Looks bad to who? You? The Christian community? God? P.O.D. have spent practically their entire career's in the secular music industry for the very purpose of spreading the Gospel to as many people as possible. God has blessed them with opportunities to evangelise and share their testimony to a mainstream audience: not many Christian bands can claim the same. People at Ozzfest need to hear the Gospel and I'm guessing they're not likely to go to Cornerstone.

Yes P.O.D. are human and I'm not pretending they do no wrong. But I feel the implications you are making despite the fact that you are refuting them are very harsh. You should dwell on all the good P.O.D. have done and continue to do e.g hardrock cafe charity tour, harvest crusades, aquire the fire. P.O.D. are a very positive role model to other bands and fans.

Check this video out to see what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QU0rAYkTz0

[:)]




Jah_Drive -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/15/2008 5:45:37 PM)

*comes in and sits in front of laptop*

*asks God to help give a Godly response*

*takes a deep breath*

Dude, you have made me think. You brought up some good points, but I wasn't trying to be legalistic at all. While your comments are right, I do believe that you have misunderstood my posts. I think that it's good that I can learn from you and others and I hope things go well on these boards. What I was trying to point out in my posts was that bad company corrupts good character (just read Psalm 1). While I agree with you that the members of P.O.D. are Christians and that they have impacted our culture for God and positivity, they HAVE done things that I don't believe are Biblical. My Bible tells me that I shouldn't be friends with the world. It even says that I shouldn't love the world nor the things in the world. Such a love is not from God, but is from the evil one. I believe that's in 1 John 2:15-17. While this could carry over onto many things (some Christians, for example, don't like Christmas or Easter because of these verses and the supposed paganism that the holidays have), I don't think that's the right interpretation. These people are legalists. You're right about salvation by grace; totally right. If someone was a legalist, I would stand with you in refuting these deceived people. My friend, you need to realize that I was not at all being judgmental and rude. I'm totally sorry that I came across as offensive to you. I'll try to be gracious (with the Lord's help), in the future. You may take it that way if you like, but I was going on Scriptural prinicples. I can see however why you were angry with me, and I should have thought out my post better. Also, I'm sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. I don't want you to think that I'm just another wacko who says that the band is evil and that rock is evil. I don't think like that. The last thing that I want to touch on is the Youtube clip that you provided for me to view, and the overall tide of the attitudes that are present here on the Warrior Network and its forums at
www.thesouthtown.com. I have seen the clip and have enjoyed it many times. It has encouraged me to know that P.O.D. loves the Lord and want to help others in life. I have nothing against that clip at all or the fact that the guys are tattooed. I don't believe that tattoos are sinful or anything. If God can use a guy like Michael "Head" to come out of Korn and do music for him while having Bible verses tattooed on his arms, then I think that He can permit P.O.D. to be tattooed as well. Also too, you mentioned about the Ozzfest bands hanging out with P.O.D. I do realize that P.O.D. has been a secular band for their whole career, but that's not really much of a rebuttal. I have no problem with the guys doing that, but they need to check their motives. If they're just supporting those bands and having a "great" time, then I can't support that and will look for other things about P.O.D. to brighten my days. I guess what I need to do is to take your advice and to pray that God would convict the band members of any sin that they may have committed. I also need to pray that the band members would grow in grace and know the Lord better and that they would be more powerfully used of Him for His purposes. However, if they're making a godly impact with the Ozzfest bands, then I totally support what P.O.D. is doing at the Ozzfest festivals. Either way, you had some good points. Now, onto the overriding attitude that seems to be engulfing these boards and its posters...some people seem to think that in order to support a music artist, you must approve of everything that artist does. I'm not sure who thinks this, but I've noticed this in some comments about the band on these boards in general. The attitude is that you shouldn't judge whether anything is right or wrong at all. I think that this is a foolish and irrational attitude to have, because it lacks discernment. It also reeks of the current state of our society, which is postmodernism. Many of you seem to stress tolerance and...that's it. I've talked about this before, and I don't believe that this attitude is right. It just seems to me that whenever anybody talks about holiness, the cry of "Legalism!" is often raised in order to end the conversation. Irrational responses have also been posted. That's also not right. God said that we must be holy as he is holy. For examples of these things, just read the "Is P.O.D. Christian?" thread. I also don't believe that you have to like everything they do in order to appreciate the music of any artist. Also too, if you read my post, you will note that I did mention that I need to be humble and that I need to be kind when speaking the truth. I do have a problem with that, and I'm sorry for any trouble I may have caused. I wasn't trying to be a legalist or a hater or anything. Hope that helps, and have a good day.

Later,
Nick White
    

P.S.: By the way, what did you mean when you said that I "go OTT sometimes"? I'm just curious. Sorry if I offended anyone. I do believe I mentioned that in the ending of my previous post on this thread. Anyways, talk to you later.




trubywarrior -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/16/2008 6:29:36 AM)

1. OTT = over the top

2. It's brian 'Head' Welch not Michael

3. Just a personal note, please paragraph it makes it easier to read[;)]

3. P.O.D. played Ozzfest at the height of the career (to date) so therefore the festival was a great launch pad for their music, F.E.O.S went platinum and Satellite went triple platinum - millions of people bought P.O.D. albums and you know the lyrics on those albums[;)], they weren't just 'having fun' with these other bands it was a great opportunity in their career. imo more Christian bands should play secular festivals.

4. It's not that people turn a blind eye to the things P.O.D. does wrong but generally speaking this is a fan forum so we naturally dwell on the positive stuff they do. As for me, yes i wouldn't collaborate with non-christian artists if I was in a band, but at the end of the day I'm not P.O.D.'s judge, God is. My advice to you is just to keep praying for them. [:)]

5. As for loving the world, do you not have non-christian friends? I'm sure you do, I would be surprised if you don't! We need to be in the world but not of the world. Sorry if that comes across as cliche but I think it's applicable in this context. Maybe P.O.D. are in sin in this area, but as I don't know the band personally I can't possibly say for certain. So we need to be careful.

Hope that helps[:)]




trinity -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/16/2008 7:20:03 AM)

Keep it civil guys .. so far its been ok .. just please keep it civil.




LionSoulJah -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/16/2008 1:14:44 PM)

Sheesh, we got WAY off topic in here

I found the performances lacking in those vids. haven't watched the interview yet, though

The EXIT video they posted online is amazing, though




Jah_Drive -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/18/2008 4:35:38 PM)

*nods*
Yeah, I know, Lion Souljah. When I say something, I tend to go off on an extremely long and wacky tangent, so please forgive me. Trubywarrior and I got into this big discussion on P.O.D.'s influences, and I was being harsh on P.O.D. for having artists such as Mike Muir on their albums. I was talking with some Christian buddies on the weekend about this though, and one of them said that he actually liked listening to some of Bob Marley's songs. (And we're talking about a Godly person here.) That made me realize that even though you may like some lost artists, God can still transform you into a good influence for him. I'll be good now, I promise. Props to trubywarrior for telling me what OTT means, I didn't know that one. That's all I have to say.

Catch you all later,
Nick 




LionSoulJah -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/18/2008 10:31:40 PM)

Why would there be a problem with listening to Bob Marley
He was more spiritual than most christian artists




Ruth -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/19/2008 1:23:33 PM)

Because he was a rastifarian, duh [8D]




LionSoulJah -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/19/2008 2:06:34 PM)

Ya, which is nothing more than a variation on christianity. Not listening to Bob Marley because of religious reasons would mean you wouldn't listen to any singer unless they believed every single thing you believe...which is probably never gonna happen

or, it's like having a problem listening to Matisyahu




drummer4jah -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/19/2008 8:44:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LionSoulJah

Sheesh, we got WAY off topic in here

I found the performances lacking in those vids. haven't watched the interview yet, though

The EXIT video they posted online is amazing, though


I loved the quality of this video, the video was definitely lacking the crazy crowd haha.
This is mainly due to Harvest being a little more "conservative" when it comes to their events and also the fans not being able to be on field in front of the stage.
I was at EXIT, and the whole atmosphere was incredible. I got the same vibe from harvest during YOTN and Alive but not at the magnitude of the EXIT event.

And on the off-topic-ness the thread is headed too-
I love it when they incorporate the artists they do on the collabs, its a change of pace from every band/artist having Akon or some other Top 40 dude on every song haha.  To even insenuate that the guys have "sinned" for collabing with other artists is absurd. There are not even a handfull of us on these boards who have actually had a deep discussion with them to even get glimpse of where they are in their walk. Its cliche but, "Only God can judge 'em" hehe.
Also, listening to Bob Marley is NEVER a bad thing haha. Growing up, especially during my high school days, His music and dedication to his beliefs had a huge impact on me musically and even Spirtually, to where I began to read my Bible even more to get what he was talking about in some of his music. Just don't meditate too much on the Ganja jams tho :P




Htownwarrior -> RE: AT&T blue room performance (8/20/2008 11:13:43 AM)

Well I thought the vids were pretty tight. As for my thoughts on the argument going on here, I get what jahdrive is saying but P.O.D. has IS DEFINED by these kind of things. P.O.D. is the most secular Christian band probably ever, unless you count U2. THEY WERE ON HOWARD STERN! Of course, only they know their motives for why they do what they do, but I've always got the vibe that they're influencing others, not being influenced.




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