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jamie20m -> Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/10/2008 10:26:00 AM)

Im not saying they have to be comercial and i know they take pride in being a personal band and reaching out to the individual. But why have they got such a small fan base? Were they not huge at one point? What went wrong? There must be a reason??




The Vines -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/10/2008 10:52:20 AM)

You know, "Satellite" was big. But I don't think it was an intentional attempt at fame. It was the perfect time for America to hear those singles. Things just came together perfectly. Some of us might say that they've tried to recapture that fame. I might say that. But I don't think P.O.D.'s goal in the music business to be huge.

But if you really want to try to pinpoint it, I'd say it was a combination of P.O.D.'s guitarist leaving the band right at the peak of their success, and the fact that nu-metal (or rap/rock, whatever) is fading out. Linkin Park intentionally left nu-metal behind. They're adapting to stay in the spotlight. Kudos to P.O.D. for continuing to do their own thing.




LionSoulJah -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/10/2008 11:58:02 AM)

It'sa loaded question. It's largely a combination of their genre fading out of style, guitarist changes, being a Christian band, and a lot of other things. You can't expect to stay in the limelight forever in the music business. I suspect that in a few more years, even Linkin Park is gonna have trouble going Platinum




trinity -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/10/2008 2:57:22 PM)

I think what these guys have said is mostly spot on .. its sad that nu metal was so quickly wiped out by the industry and not given a chance to grow. It was and is a great sound .. I think bands like linkin park have went to far personally .. I think they changed so much that they left all there old fans behind. The new LP album was hated so much by the fans that they had to remove the forums from there website. I'm not saying thats why POD has no forums .. but its one of those genres that died even though its fans loved it. POD have adapted well in my opinion even though this new album is not as heavy as I would've like its still a great album.

But yeah .. long story short .. I think POD will have to continue to adapt and find themselves before they ever get big again .. WASSD was there first album back with marcos .. who knows what the future holds.




drummer4jah -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/10/2008 3:24:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: trinity
But yeah .. long story short .. I think POD will have to continue to adapt and find themselves before they ever get big again .. WASSD was there first album back with marcos .. who knows what the future holds.


True that. It reminds me of the listening party Q&A when Marcos said "The best is yet to come, this is only the beginning."




Ruth -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/10/2008 3:56:24 PM)

I agree with Trinity. I believe even though nu-metal has its fans, it lost its mass appeal and shriveled up and died for the most part. That being said, I think the guys are doing well for only two months of the WAASD release. I'm looking forward to other singles from this album and hearing about what they're doing.                                                                                                                                             
As far as being a chart-topper that would be difficult to pin down to what goes wrong with that. There are accomplished and brilliant artists that barely ever get any recognition. Then there are folks that can't keep time with a tamborine that become superstars.




blindsidedbyfierce -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/11/2008 11:55:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LionSoulJah
being a Christian band


ive been starting to notice that christian bands are actually starting to get accepted more and the fact of them being christian isnt mattering as much (mostly in metal). now im not saying there's a huge acceptance. there is of course still a prejudice. i just think its starting to change. ha, let us not forget black sabbath's "after forever"




LionSoulJah -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/11/2008 12:05:25 PM)

Oh, ya, I'll never doubt that Christian music is becoming MUCH more popular in the mainstream that in previous years, and I believe that a lot of that is BECAUSE of P.O.D. and their impact

I mean, just look at the Warped Tour this year
a gigantic number of those artists are christian and/or are on Tooth & Nail Records
not to mention Matisyahu




trubywarrior -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/11/2008 12:12:33 PM)

yeah there are several reasons why P.O.D. haven't had the commercial success they once enjoyed; personally I think the major contributing factors have been: Guitarist change, record label issues, end of nu-metal 'scene' and the fact that the band members are Christian...I think there is still a lot of prejudice towards the band's spiritual message. But at the end of the day P.O.D. have never sold out, they do what they do and love, I still think that WA&SD could be modestly successful; the new promotions crew email gave me hope as they are in talks for an international tour/s!!![:D] 




LionSoulJah -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/11/2008 8:39:07 PM)

I didn't get me no P-Crew email....




psmgamer -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/12/2008 8:01:48 AM)

I would say when Marcos and P.O.D(Wuv, Traa, Sonny) split in 2003 is when it began among other things. I remember when the band was huge with Satellite going platium and its singles like Boom, YOTN, Alive, Satellite and Nu-Metal was in. The band also had problems with its label and left them last year due to changes within the label not being the same. You could also count Jason Truby entering POD for those who didn't like his style and wanted Marcos back. If Marcos hadn't split from POD who knows if POD would have still been the same band or change over time. It happens for a reason but I know that POD will rise up again to the top of the charts and win back its fans that have either moved on or stayed. I think also because of them being a christian band when the self titled album was released and even the major label debut christian stores refused to sell the album because of the artwork. 




KroniX -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/13/2008 8:43:51 PM)

Personally, I dont think that marcos leaving the band had much effect on their popularity. I would blame this almost 100% on poor promotion, and label problems.

We also do have the issues of POD being Christians, and POD still playing the genre that they pioneered. But, Both Truby albums were EXCELLENT, and both of their first singles had good mainstream success, but BOTH of thier second singles had POOR success, due to label problems...I would even debate wether columbia is doing a good job. Im still hearing of POD fans who only new pod had a new album when I told them! I havent heard any radio mentions, or ANY promotion whatsoever, apart from what is on the offical site, and the Street team... In my view thats discusting... I heard and saw a very large amount of promotion for the greatest hits album. It would debate that Rhino is doing a better job than Columbia.

Perhaps PODs 'High fame' of the Satellite days is not something they should aim for. Personally I dont think satellite is a heck of alot better than many of thier albums, but everyone talks about it like it is. Atlantic treated POD well for its first two majour records, thats why they are the most popular...

How much did the Greatest hits sell,? Because it did well in my country...




trubywarrior -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/14/2008 4:27:06 AM)

i do think label issues, as I stated in my first post, have had a major detrimental effect on P.O.D.'s commercial success. WA&SD got off to a really slow start, I mean for one thing they released Addicted on itunes a couple of months before the album with no music video to promote it! Then the music video is banned from mtv so that it didn't even get onto TRL, which their last 4 albums have enjoyed the success of. So I still think WA&SD has huge potential to do really well if only it is promoted correctly![8|]




Kodachi -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/18/2008 12:08:23 AM)

Somebody prolly said it already but I didn't read (Sowwy!) Firstly I love both Linkin Park and POD the same. They're both my number one favorite band swaying about on that little tiny space of a pedastal I give them. (11 guys, one small pin head. Tricky.) I'm on both of the street teams and I hear just as much crap from both sides.

Here's a secret of what makes and breaks a band: Promoting.

Okie dokie, Linku Parkie. Great band, great sound. Great investment when you got whiny teens to sap. That's what WB thought when they signed the band as is. For the WB, until Harry Potter, Linkin Park's a Godsend. They see money in their lyrics and soon-to-be projected image so time to push push push! It's not LP fault that they can connect well enough with a crowd that's not religious or pushing too many basic barriers. Go ahead, slit your wrists if you like, shoot up schools, cut, just buy our cd while you're at it. It ain't hurtin nobody and definitely ain't making much more important people, not whiny teens, mad. A perfect fit pretty much. But they aren't corporation made, they've fought with that endlessly. But they have a good fan base that they could run on their own steam if anything were to happen.

P.O.D. now. This is where you gotta love America and it's fake, double standards, hypocritical, got-a-burning-need-to-put-someone-in-a-box. P.O.D. isn't the stereotypical God-lovin band that has nothing beyond Jesus in their lyrics. That's not what the papers and media are saying tho. They talk about a particular religion, that ain't good. Too many important people to piss off...despite the fact that that's not all they talk about. That leaves P.O.D. in a much smaller box than Linkin Park sadly, who has two versions of some of the videos they do (A Europe version and a US version. Guess which one is more tame. It ain't the European's!) because of content. Then you have that odd gray space P.O.D is in. They're too Christian for normal air (which is crap. I'm Pagan and I'm not offended at all. Those weed-lauding songs tho, that's gotta go.)  and not Christian enough for Christian air (Translation: they ain't stereotypical enough yet and prolly wouldn't know where to put the band because of Traa...and Sonny...and Wuv...and Marcos, what a predicament.). Where would you put a band in the land of no stones? On small stations where people may not hear them.

Then you have the music company at hand: Atlantic and the WB - who owns Atlantic and plenty other major labels - and there's nothing they love more than money. Probably think slavery is a good idea of enterprise, why should people get fussy? They're known now for screwing good artists over somehow. They tried to do it to both P.O.D. and Linkin Park as well as other artists who's been at it for a while. Save money to give to the newest, far less talented acts. P.O.D. and LP reacted differently due to circumstances and the stakes. LP is prolly a mistake WB will never make again: Put 10% of the company money on a single thing like a band. Apparently Chester, Mike, Joe, Rob, Brad and Phoenix ain't as dumb as the company thought and Linkin Park started breaking rules all over the place to drag down WB financially (I think anyone would miss a few millions or billions) until they knocked off the cheap tricks because LP made sure to put their own men in charge of the different facets of running a band, themselves. 

P.O.D., because of their already muted standpoint, didn't have it so easy but got out alive nonetheless. Atlantic was screwing over anyone who had more or nearly 10 years in the business because they wanted to make money, not music. P.O.D. has a strong promotion crew, yes, but even us few ain't enough when a company wants to pull the plug. Which they have tried. Numerous times. What's been keeping P.O.D. afloat is the promo crew.

Why does it boil down to promotion or how? Real easy. Here's an example: Matisyahu (If I misspelled the man's name, I'm really sorry). Around my area, P.O.D. won't even be played on some stations but it's like Linkin Park practically owns every blade of grass and every coffee grain. So guess my surprise when Matisyahu is playing. Non-stop at that. Seriously high and awesome on the charts and the songs are about as religious as you get. Then after six months that was the last you heard of him. It was like he never exisited. He ran his course and people can't stand music with super real convictions for long. Ask the station to play him and they won't. He was popular for a moment and now that moment's long gone. No Hot Topic shirts or wallets, barely any promotions for his tours or none at all, no banners, big signings all over America, blah blah blah.

That's the music business for you. They don't care about what's music and what's not. They're more concerned about money and red tape. That's why on my radio, you won't hear Godsmack either (They're Wiccan) and Slipknot nearly got the ax if they didn't change their symbol. HIM too. Think about it. Don't even get started about war chants either. Rage was the most you were going to get for a while. (For LP fans, how much have you heard "Bleed It Out" but no "Little Things Give you Away" or "Hands Held High"? Too Political. Gonna get people thinking and a liiiiittle pissed) But they're so powerful that it's only five or so companies that controls what you hear, see and think about. What's worse is that now these companies think alike so that's a complete barring for anyone trying not to be or naturally is not mainstream. Yet I can tell you this, if P.O.D. sold out and cut Jesus out like people told them to, they would be perfectly fine. Even Linkin Park is disgusted by the thought of this.  The Music Business is a terrible place and filled with horrible people and corporate scheme. Look at it all from a removed point of view, ask around and you'll see it too how much everything is a puppet show and we're the puppets.




snuffthepunk -> RE: Why are P.O.D not huge? They been going longer than LinKin ParK?? (6/18/2008 1:23:55 AM)

I personally have been a fan of P.O.D. since I purchased my first P.O.D. cd from a local christian store (The Fundamental Elements of Southtown) all I can say about the fame they came across with Satellite helped more people find meaning in their life and maybe even finding the lord. I completly agree with the statements made by other members about the prejudice stigmas that exist in the media against Christian bands I don't believe a band should be pre-judged by their religion they should be judged on how they sound. They are a great band and like all great bands they will bounce back from anything.




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