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Barak Obama What his "Christian" Church REALL... - 3/14/2008 7:11:26 AM

podave

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It seemed to be getting heated so i figured before things get out of control i'd go ahead and spin if off over here. Here's an interesting article i found from a "local(same state, diff. town) paper." Has a lot of information about his so called "Christian" Church. Please read.

Michael Reisig is a local author of several books about the 'end of
times'.
You can find his books at: <http://www.michael-reisig.com/>
www.michael-reisig.com or <http://www.amazon.com/> www.amazon.com.

He is also the editor of The Polk County Pulse in Mena,
Arkansas where he wrote this article. I have heard some of these things before
about Obama but Michael put a different angle on it. A little long, but a
good read.

This was in the paper on February 20, 2008...

President Obama.
By Michael Reisig

Well, having observed the progress of
the Democrat and Republican Primaries I would have to say at this point,
America is probably close to electing Barak Hussein Obama as its next president.
I understand the need for change - but for all my observation of Obama I
have yet to hear any decisive, detailed plans - it all seems to be continual
rhetoric on the concept of change. It's all rather a puzzlement to me,
and more than anything I think this phenomena is representative of the new
Survivor/ Oprah Winfrey/ American Idol consciousness (where the bizarre
is applauded as reality and image is more important than substance), and it
is undoubtedly brought about by the overwhelming dissatisfaction Americans
have for a government that has cheated, lied and stolen from them for at
least the last two generations. But for minorities, and in particular blacks,
this election represents a moment of long-awaited validation. There is no
question that the election of an African-American president will empower
the blacks of this country. Don't misunderstand me - this is not a racist
statement, this is just a fact, and in many respects this could be a
good thing. But there is no denying the sense of audacious rebellion that
constantly simmers in much of the black community, particularly with the
youth of the large metropolitan areas. I have some concern that the
election of a black president will take us back to a consciousness that
promotes the power of race over intelligence, reason, and the value of
law, and that this may divide black and whites more than uniting them. I
hope that I'm wrong. Obama speaks a lot about a uniting of black and white
America, but the church he has attended for years would contradict that.
Although you won't hear much of this on national television, one has but
to go to Obama's church of choice, Trinity United Church of Christ (go to
the website to check for yourself) to find, and I quote, "An unabashedly
black congregation with a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. "An African
people, 'true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of
civilization." Nowhere in the website is America even mentioned. Can
you imagine if one of the other white candidates for president were a member
of a church that declared itself "unashamedly white?" What would the media
have done to them already? I was also startled by a number of the points
in Trinity United Church's 10-Point Vision: *A congregation with a
Non-negotiable Commitment to Africa. *A congregation committed to
Cultural Education (Africa). *A congregation committed to the Historical
Education of African People in Diaspora. *A congregation committed to Liberation. *A
congregation committed to Restoration. (Could this mean restitution?)

In addition, Trinity's senior pastor Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., is
considered by many to be a black racist, who, without question, preaches
radical Afro-centric theology. It appears, by affiliation, that we have
a man who wants to be president of America while much of his loyalty is
invested in black Africa. But there is also a deeper, perhaps darker
consequence in terms of America and its multi-national population when
we consider Mr. Obama as our new leader. Investigations have shown that
Obama's father and stepfather were devout Islamics. Both faithfully practiced
their religion. His stepfather, who had a much greater impact on Obama's
upbringing, was a radical Wahabbi Muslim. Obama's mother married Lolo
Soetoro, a Wahabbi extremist who lived in Indonesia. When Obama's
mother moved to Indonesia - before she married her second Muslim husband - she
enrolled her son in Francis Assisis Catholic School. He was enrolled as
a Muslim because he was a Muslim. Obama's campaign website has been hailed
as a testament to the candidate's transformative politics. But at least
part of the senator's online outreach, "Muslim Americans for Obama '08"
proposes installing Muslim prayer areas in public places and giving Muslims time
off for prayer, and has denounced Obama's colleagues in the U.S. Senate who
happen to be Jewish. Further troubling are the issues and solutions on
this site: 1. A Law against harassment of Muslim women wearing Hijab
at the Airport, DMV and other public arenas.
2. Institute a Law to allow Muslim Employees to take an hour off from work for Friday Jummah Prayer.
3. Make the 2 Eid's (Muslim festivals), recognized National Holidays on
Calendars with days off from work.
4. Optional Halal meals in federal
building, public schools and colleges.
5. Provide prayer areas suitable for Salah and Jummah, in public and private facilities. (i.e.
Malls, Airports, Universities and government buildings.)
6. Organize a Muslim American group to assist in recommendations for US foreign
policy affecting majority Muslim Countries. I have to wonder how many
encampments of Islamic extremists hidden in the hills of Afghanistan and quiet room
of Baghdad and Tehran listen to the news of America's primary elections
with unadulterated glee, considering first, that we may have a president who
has virtually no experience in managing a government, or attending to
military/international affairs, and secondly; the chance (as remote as it is) of
a quasi-Muslim president of the United States. Think of the possibilities.

I have sent this is almost everyone I know. If you agree with this, I
hope you will do the same, or at least make sure you vote. It really scares
me to think of Obama being president.

Its time we as Christians stand up and let our voices be heard. Let's
stop being the silent majority!
I don't know about anyone else but the Jesus in my bible is colorblind, he loves people of ALL races, creeds, and backgrounds...Barak's...not so much just the Africans. Don't get me wrong i'm all for helping Africa but the highest concentration of homeless is in our nations capital Washington, D.C. that's got to tell ya something right? Let's take care of our own then we'll help africa. That's my toughts on the matter.

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RE: Barak Obama What his "Christian" Church R... - 3/14/2008 12:28:42 PM

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i never knew muslims and their practices were such a threat to our christian america

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RE: Barak Obama What his "Christian" Church R... - 3/14/2008 7:31:20 PM

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and the next best choice is considered to be "the hillary"

I'll take my chances with the rumor-milled obama the mama-blama

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RE: Barak Obama What his "Christian" Church R... - 3/18/2008 6:28:24 PM

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quote:

But there is no denying the sense of audacious rebellion that
constantly simmers in much of the black community, particularly with the
youth of the large metropolitan areas. I have some concern that the
election of a black president will take us back to a consciousness that
promotes the power of race over intelligence, reason, and the value of
law, and that this may divide black and whites more than uniting them.

When the author says "the power of race over intelligence, reason, and the value of the law" it seems like he feels
very threatened by black people, like a majority of them are hot-headed.

There's a lot of disapproval inside black communities concerning the bad influence of most rap music, using
violence to solve problems, etc. I read articles all the time written by level-headed black people insisting that
something has to be done. Obama wants the same thing Martin Luther King Jr. wanted, for there to be equality
between all races in America, but you wouldn't accuse MLK of trying to start an uprise.

quote:

Nowhere in the website is America even mentioned. Can
you imagine if one of the other white candidates for president were a member
of a church that declared itself "unashamedly white?" What would the media
have done to them already?

This part really reeks of racism. There are people I know who are very proud of
where their immigrant forefathers came from - embracing their culture, which I think is what Obama does.

Since when does Christianity have to have American flags painted all over its cross in order to be a valid religion, I ask you?

I apologize to all the Southern Americans in advance, but this type of article would have NEVER been written in the
Northeast. There's a whole lot of hatred and racism down south leftover from when black people were escaping slavery.
They went north in order to be free. The whole reason Black History Month is observed is to commend the strength
and perseverance shown by black people when they got kicked down proverbially and literally since the very second they
got off the boat; they wouldn't stay down, they got back up, united together for the sake of their freedom (ironically a trademark of our beloved country) and left the southerners to have to, oh dear, dirty their hands and pick their own damn cotton. A lot of them are still pissed off and still consistently threatened by the strength shown by blacks during
the abolitionist movement. This sounds like one of those people, not to mention severely paranoid.

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RE: Barak Obama What his "Christian" Church R... - 3/21/2008 11:38:24 AM

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quote:

I apologize to all the Southern Americans in advance, but this type of article would have NEVER been written in the
Northeast. There's a whole lot of hatred and racism down south leftover from when black people were escaping slavery.
They went north in order to be free. The whole reason Black History Month is observed is to commend the strength
and perseverance shown by black people when they got kicked down proverbially and literally since the very second they
got off the boat; they wouldn't stay down, they got back up, united together for the sake of their freedom (ironically a trademark of our beloved country) and left the southerners to have to, oh dear, dirty their hands and pick their own damn cotton. A lot of them are still pissed off and still consistently threatened by the strength shown by blacks during
the abolitionist movement. This sounds like one of those people, not to mention severely paranoid.

You've been to the south once in your whole life and you think you know everything about it, huh? Thanks for the apology I'll pass it on to nanny and grandpa did you know that they, and their parents picked cotton for a living before and during the depression? Oh, and guess what they did it with Black indentured servants. Indentured servants weren't just former black slaves that had been freed after the civil war, they were also poor whites that couldn't even afford the shirts on the back let alone provide for their wife and kids. If you actually knew anything about slavery that isn't in our American history books you'd know that an overwhelming majority of slave owners treated their slave rather humanly. Crazy to thing that that would be possible with all the "racism" right? But really how is it so crazy? They were considered property and worth big money, like shares in oil companies or European sports car today. Why i ask would a slave owner want to beat their property? They didn't want to they were more valuable out in the fields working. My old boss, who is from Alabama, Brad Bryant yes related to Bear Bryant, his great grandfather had slaves one named Percy worth $500 back then that was a lot of money but here's the crazy thing when Brad's great grandfather died guess what he did with the plantation? He willed it and all the money associated with it to Percy and his family and Percy took over operations. If we(southerners) hate blacks soooo much why would we do that? Oh well, he's an exception? No the exceptions are the one's you read about in our history books that beat their slaves. Dick Chaney and Barak Obama, Al Sharpton and Strom Turmen are very distant cousins...but cousins non the less...if we really hated blacks....Thomas Jefferson and Sally Himmings ring any bells?

You know who writes history? The winners of wars. Their are no winners in civil wars. We are told in history classes that the civil war was about slavery, or preserving the union. Propaganda, just like Iraq being about WMD's and 9-11 terrorism, the war was about economics just like every war is greed of money and land. The south succeed from the north and they no longer had the economics of the slave trade at their disposal. If one slave named Percy is worth $500 and there are less say 1 million slaves...that's 500 million dollars that's alot of money now let alone in the late 1880's. Yeah the north had there factories, but the south had agriculture. Not everyone could afford a model T, but everyone needed to eat, have clothes on their backs. It was our southern economy that kept our country afloat. And yes sadly that economy was based on slavery. Thomas Jefferson wanted the slaves freed from the get go when the country was founded sense the slaves were fighting in the revolution along side their masters but we all know how that turned out.

Sorry for this being so long Meg, but i just felt like you needed a history lesson about slavery, the untold history of slavery, you know the history that doesn't match up with what's in the history books. Kinda like how the jews rebelled against the Egyptians under Moses' lead in the bible..yet until very recent archaeological discoveries no word of this very pivotal rebellion in jewish history had every been found....that doesn't mean it never happen does it?

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RE: Barak Obama What his "Christian" Church R... - 3/21/2008 12:22:32 PM

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quote:

When the author says "the power of race over intelligence, reason, and the value of the law" it seems like he feels
very threatened by black people, like a majority of them are hot-headed.

There's a lot of disapproval inside black communities concerning the bad influence of most rap music, using
violence to solve problems, etc. I read articles all the time written by level-headed black people insisting that
something has to be done. Obama wants the same thing Martin Luther King Jr. wanted, for there to be equality
between all races in America, but you wouldn't accuse MLK of trying to start an uprise.

Well Meg, down here in the south a lot of blacks are hot-headed. They think that when the pass 3 vehicle, one being a cop with on coming traffic doing 80 in a 55 that they are being pulled over cause they're black. Granted...their are cops that do that EVERY where in the country not just down here. But seriously cause your black NO you broke the law and happen to be black. Would i accuse MLK of trying to start an uprising...no but Malcom X yeah i would but who killed him His own people not a racist white guy, but a group of black muslims. I think what the author is meaning by "the power of race over intelligence, reason, and the value of the law" is that he's affraid that in the hood these young blacks are gonna be all "shit bro,(you know what they really say)there be a bro that be prez yo, we can do whatev da muck we wontz bro and get away witit caz he be our bro, bro."

quote:

quote:

Nowhere in the website is America even mentioned. Can
you imagine if one of the other white candidates for president were a member
of a church that declared itself "unashamedly white?" What would the media
have done to them already?
This part really reeks of racism. There are people I know who are very proud of
where their immigrant forefathers came from - embracing their culture, which I think is what Obama does.

Since when does Christianity have to have American flags painted all over its cross in order to be a valid religion, I ask you?

No that's not what he's doing, if it was i'd have no problem with it. If he truely fallows the teaching of his christian church and it's not just for show to get elected since he's really a black muslim an he knows he won't get elected as one, then as his churches website states AFRICA comes FIRST.

quote:

An unabashedly
black congregation with a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. "An African
people, 'true to our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of
civilization."

this was right before what you quoted

quote:

Nowhere in the website is America even mentioned. Can
you imagine if one of the other white candidates for president were a member
of a church that declared itself "unashamedly white?" What would the media
have done to them already?

His statement make since with both sentences together. He's simply pointing out how there is reverse racism from blacks to whites today. There is a "Black Negro College Fund" they give out scholorships every year to ONLY black hs students that want to go to college but can't afford to. That is a great thing, but sence ALL white people are rich and can afford to go to college out of pocket there is no "White Cracka College Fund" now is there? There's the Naacp "Nation Assosation for the Advancement of Colored People" during the civil rights movement a great organization what do they do today? They defend black hookers that clame to have been raped by the nearly all white duke lacrosse team only for DNA evedence to show that it was some she had been with the night before that paid her. Any apology from then NAACP? Nope. Oh yeah and the get Don Imus kicked off the air for calling the Rutgers womens basketball team a "bunch ho's. nappy headed ho's" Blacks refurre to their women as ho's all the time in hip-hop culture yet when i white person uses the term in the exate same way it's racism. It's a double standed and it's bullshit! If you can say it, I can say it, if i can't you shouldn't. End of story.

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RE: Barack Obama What his "Christian" Church ... - 3/22/2008 8:19:09 AM

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I can't say you overreacted and that you don't have the right to be pissed...cause you do.
So I don't know the intimate details of what really went on in the south, you were right about that
and I was in over my head, and for that I'm sorry. I still think your view of black people is skewed.
It doesn't make sense to me how you can condemn the NAACP for one instance. As for people
who use the term "ho," it's disrespectful when anyone uses it, frankly. If you think it's trivial
for a black person to get upset over a white person using the term, it's even more trivial for a white
person to fight over the right to use a disrespectful term in the first place.

Think what you want about Barack Obama, by all means you're entitled to...it may not apply to
every Christian out there, but I don't think what church you go to defines your relationship with
Christ. You're welcome to think that a black person attending an all-black church is suspicious...
I think the suspicion people feel of him being a part of this church
is probably further rooted in the rumor circulated that he was a muslim.

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RE: Barack Obama What his "Christian" Church ... - 4/3/2008 8:29:35 AM

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Wow. I think i'm moving to Canada.

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RE: Barack Obama What his "Christian" Church ... - 4/15/2008 2:10:41 PM

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podave, you sound bitter.

was Obama right?:

quote:

Obama:
You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.
And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

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RE: Barack Obama What his "Christian" Church ... - 4/18/2008 9:58:02 AM

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lol, so what maybe i am after all "They took our jobs, man!"

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RE: Barack Obama What his "Christian" Church ... - 4/30/2008 3:01:31 PM

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That church is a much a "Christian church" as Jesse Jackson is a Reverand. I keep hearing about this church's "social gospel". And Wright is a ex-Nation of Islam and has Nation of Islam bodyguards right now. Not saying Obama is a muslim and all that. Just that this church is more about the black community etc..than Christianity really.

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RE: Barack Obama What his "Christian" Church ... - 4/30/2008 3:33:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: podave

lol, so what maybe i am after all "They took our jobs, man!"

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RE: Barack Obama What his "Christian" Church ... - 5/4/2008 9:49:45 AM

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quote:

You know who writes history? The winners of wars. Their are no winners in civil wars. We are told in history classes that the civil war was about slavery, or preserving the union. Propaganda, just like Iraq being about WMD's and 9-11 terrorism, the war was about economics just like every war is greed of money and land.

Wow now that is some serious propaganda about propaganda

To me it doesn't matter if Obama is a Muslim, a reverse racist whatever now, cause he would deny it without any clearcut way to expose because of all the political posturing double talk...he'll just categorically deny any direct connection to such. But his consistent path over the last twenty years was aligning himself with Islamic, pro black [which is a odd contradiction in and of itself with strict fundamentalist Islam that stems from the Middle East...more in line with the USA's version contained with Farrakhan and the NOI] pro Hamas activities. And this would unite America???

Yes there was WMDs in Iraq, the question is what happened to them [probably mostly in Syria atm] Yes slavery was a big issue in the civil war, but not the sole reason for it. Yes 9/11 was done by Islamic terrorists motivated by no allegiance to any certain nation...but to pure Quranic doctrine.

And has Obama suddenly, radically diverted from his oddball Islamic threaded, Racist, Extreme left wing path he has on for so many years? Of course not...he just was sent through the campaign car wash to appear more palatable to mainstream America

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